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	<title>Comments on: Finding St. George #3</title>
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		<title>By: stabani</title>
		<link>http://www.yellowswordfish.com/705/finding-st-george-3/comment-page-1/#comment-14895</link>
		<dc:creator>stabani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Malc,
as long as they don&#039;t conflict with local laws, in which case, local laws prevail ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Malc,<br />
as long as they don&#8217;t conflict with local laws, in which case, local laws prevail <img src='http://www.yellowswordfish.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Malc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I wasn&#039;t clear, the point I was trying to make, with the 10 commandments, was simply, if you believe in God, then follow the commandments and you don&#039;t need all the leaders, books, sermons etc the churches seem to invent.
Totally agree with the rest of your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I wasn&#8217;t clear, the point I was trying to make, with the 10 commandments, was simply, if you believe in God, then follow the commandments and you don&#8217;t need all the leaders, books, sermons etc the churches seem to invent.<br />
Totally agree with the rest of your post.</p>
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		<title>By: stabani</title>
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		<dc:creator>stabani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t the Ten Commandments the word of God itself?

I really don&#039;t want to get into a debate about religion, as I put in my comment above I&#039;m really not all that religious. I strive and fight for the separation of church and state at all levels including the proper taxation of such &quot;religions&quot; which claim to be a religion though truly are a corporation.

But as I said, the views on religion would be better served by possibly religious persons. I believe in God, but that&#039;s my own personal belief. I don&#039;t believe the government should have anything to do with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t the Ten Commandments the word of God itself?</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t want to get into a debate about religion, as I put in my comment above I&#8217;m really not all that religious. I strive and fight for the separation of church and state at all levels including the proper taxation of such &quot;religions&quot; which claim to be a religion though truly are a corporation.</p>
<p>But as I said, the views on religion would be better served by possibly religious persons. I believe in God, but that&#8217;s my own personal belief. I don&#8217;t believe the government should have anything to do with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Malc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Stabani,
I think point most people don&#039;t make when talking about religion - me included - that you have made is &#039;fundamentalist&#039; - people who are fundamentalist, whether Muslim, Christian, Jewish or whatever, seem to elevate their faith beyond the value of&#160; human life, and that is wrong, but they get the headlines.

When all&#039;s said and done, the ten commandments tell us to honour your parents, not to lie, cheat, steal, not to work all hours or commit murder.

I just struggle with the concept that people are so stupid that &#039;they&#039; need a &#039;religious text&#039; to define basic humanity and simple honest rules. Do people really need a &#039;god&#039; to tell them things like that !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Stabani,<br />
I think point most people don&#8217;t make when talking about religion &#8211; me included &#8211; that you have made is &#8216;fundamentalist&#8217; &#8211; people who are fundamentalist, whether Muslim, Christian, Jewish or whatever, seem to elevate their faith beyond the value of&nbsp; human life, and that is wrong, but they get the headlines.</p>
<p>When all&#8217;s said and done, the ten commandments tell us to honour your parents, not to lie, cheat, steal, not to work all hours or commit murder.</p>
<p>I just struggle with the concept that people are so stupid that &#8216;they&#8217; need a &#8216;religious text&#8217; to define basic humanity and simple honest rules. Do people really need a &#8216;god&#8217; to tell them things like that !</p>
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		<title>By: stabani</title>
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		<dc:creator>stabani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andy, though I agree with the notion that religion has no place in government and laws (Heck, i&#039;m a big supporter of that notion), the truth is the current laws (don&#039;t quiz me, I&#039;ve read them, studied them, and all) as well as current politicians (here and abroad in the States where I used to live) seem to always bring christianity into play when dealing with laws and issues.

For example, simply look at Mike Huckabee. Need not look far, The Daily Show will possibly provide all of his God-Loving speeches to you.

The Truth of the matter is, no matter what you think, the laws of England have been shaped by Christianity. Denying that is completely stupid.

Secondly, I hate to say it, but most opinions of Shariah have been made through media assumptions. Ever talk to a shariah expert? Ever seen them on TV (From a non-fundamentalist country?). The truth of the matter is, Islam has bestowed many fundamental rights upon children, women, and such. Please, Don&#039;t bombard me with links. Most Sites have only further spread the misinformation. The fact that the so-called &quot;shariah experts&quot; dont seem to follow those is another whole argument for another date. I have met many people in the states and use shariah for solving of some business and personal issues, and they haven&#039;t failed me once, nor have they with the many case studies I did with my group (Disclaimer: I am not a religious person, believe it or not)

As much as I agree upon your way of life theory, the truth is that this has nothing to do with your way of life. It&#039;s an alternative way of mediation for whoever so chooses to follow it. It&#039;s just like arbitration works today, and to be honest, some form of what the Archbishop (gasp!) says actually does exist in todays laws, and already has the provisions for it.

Let me put this clear: I don&#039;t support LAWS based on Shariah. Nope, don&#039;t want it here, not in the United States, and not even in the Islamic Republics. Not because I don&#039;t like what it says, but because I believe religion gives you moral principles and the government is not responsible for your personal upkeep, aka, pretty much libertarian views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andy, though I agree with the notion that religion has no place in government and laws (Heck, i&#8217;m a big supporter of that notion), the truth is the current laws (don&#8217;t quiz me, I&#8217;ve read them, studied them, and all) as well as current politicians (here and abroad in the States where I used to live) seem to always bring christianity into play when dealing with laws and issues.</p>
<p>For example, simply look at Mike Huckabee. Need not look far, The Daily Show will possibly provide all of his God-Loving speeches to you.</p>
<p>The Truth of the matter is, no matter what you think, the laws of England have been shaped by Christianity. Denying that is completely stupid.</p>
<p>Secondly, I hate to say it, but most opinions of Shariah have been made through media assumptions. Ever talk to a shariah expert? Ever seen them on TV (From a non-fundamentalist country?). The truth of the matter is, Islam has bestowed many fundamental rights upon children, women, and such. Please, Don&#8217;t bombard me with links. Most Sites have only further spread the misinformation. The fact that the so-called &quot;shariah experts&quot; dont seem to follow those is another whole argument for another date. I have met many people in the states and use shariah for solving of some business and personal issues, and they haven&#8217;t failed me once, nor have they with the many case studies I did with my group (Disclaimer: I am not a religious person, believe it or not)</p>
<p>As much as I agree upon your way of life theory, the truth is that this has nothing to do with your way of life. It&#8217;s an alternative way of mediation for whoever so chooses to follow it. It&#8217;s just like arbitration works today, and to be honest, some form of what the Archbishop (gasp!) says actually does exist in todays laws, and already has the provisions for it.</p>
<p>Let me put this clear: I don&#8217;t support LAWS based on Shariah. Nope, don&#8217;t want it here, not in the United States, and not even in the Islamic Republics. Not because I don&#8217;t like what it says, but because I believe religion gives you moral principles and the government is not responsible for your personal upkeep, aka, pretty much libertarian views.</p>
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		<title>By: Malc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erm... Amen to that !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm&#8230; Amen to that !!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy @ Yellow Swordfish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy @ Yellow Swordfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malc said: I think Religion has no part at all in a modern society, no religious schools,no Religious Education, no religious symbols at work, marriage should be a completely civil creation.

And to this I add my voice 100%. It&#039;s hold may be waning (at the moment) but after a few thousand years of one religion or another having people by the balls and calling the shots it&#039;s way past time to put it aside, grow up and admit that it has been, on the whole, a corrupt and evil failure from start to finish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malc said: I think Religion has no part at all in a modern society, no religious schools,no Religious Education, no religious symbols at work, marriage should be a completely civil creation.</p>
<p>And to this I add my voice 100%. It&#8217;s hold may be waning (at the moment) but after a few thousand years of one religion or another having people by the balls and calling the shots it&#8217;s way past time to put it aside, grow up and admit that it has been, on the whole, a corrupt and evil failure from start to finish.</p>
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		<title>By: Malc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1992 - the year the Church of England &#039;lowered it&#039;s standards&#039; and allowed women&#039;s ordination.
I think Religion has no part at all in a modern society, no religious schools,no Religious Education, no religious symbols at work, marriage should be a completely civil creation.
So I agree with Andy as regards to adding new laws based on Sharia on any other religious law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1992 &#8211; the year the Church of England &#8216;lowered it&#8217;s standards&#8217; and allowed women&#8217;s ordination.<br />
I think Religion has no part at all in a modern society, no religious schools,no Religious Education, no religious symbols at work, marriage should be a completely civil creation.<br />
So I agree with Andy as regards to adding new laws based on Sharia on any other religious law.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy @ Yellow Swordfish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy @ Yellow Swordfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst I 1oo% agree that the current media - having been now almost totally &#039;Murdoch&#039;ed&#039; - is no longer a reliable source of information - it can, surely, not be denied that there are aspects of Sharia as practiced in some parts of the world that quite rightly send a shiver down the spine. Whilst the limp-wristed and PC prone Williams was obviously not talking about the extremes and was limiting it to minor, civil and family matters it is quite understandable that there is the fear that once started it is a wheel that can not be slowed.

Speaking totally personally, I am 100% against any form of Sharia being introduced into this country for whatever minor matters as attitudes towards women and children in particular are so far removed from our own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst I 1oo% agree that the current media &#8211; having been now almost totally &#8216;Murdoch&#8217;ed&#8217; &#8211; is no longer a reliable source of information &#8211; it can, surely, not be denied that there are aspects of Sharia as practiced in some parts of the world that quite rightly send a shiver down the spine. Whilst the limp-wristed and PC prone Williams was obviously not talking about the extremes and was limiting it to minor, civil and family matters it is quite understandable that there is the fear that once started it is a wheel that can not be slowed.</p>
<p>Speaking totally personally, I am 100% against any form of Sharia being introduced into this country for whatever minor matters as attitudes towards women and children in particular are so far removed from our own.</p>
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		<title>By: Malc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Stabani, maybe not the strength of the opinion, but I think the Archbishop of Canterbury made only one mistake - he should have thought a lot longer about how he phrased what he said, it is my understanding that English Law permits and has always permitted &#039;Religious Groups&#039; some options for using their law in only Civil matters, and I think the current media hype about what he said is born from the &#039;sound byte&#039; mentality of the media, they don&#039;t report any more, they just print headlines, often with insufficient information to allow people to make a decision,&#160; but enough info to react.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Stabani, maybe not the strength of the opinion, but I think the Archbishop of Canterbury made only one mistake &#8211; he should have thought a lot longer about how he phrased what he said, it is my understanding that English Law permits and has always permitted &#8216;Religious Groups&#8217; some options for using their law in only Civil matters, and I think the current media hype about what he said is born from the &#8217;sound byte&#8217; mentality of the media, they don&#8217;t report any more, they just print headlines, often with insufficient information to allow people to make a decision,&nbsp; but enough info to react.</p>
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