Comments on: Enoch Powell, The Rivers Of Blood And The Cul De Sac Of Fear http://www.yellowswordfish.com/667/enoch-powell-the-rivers-of-blood-and-the-cul-de-sac-of-fear/ Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:15:11 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Yellow Swordfish » Every Terrorist Group Needs A Name http://www.yellowswordfish.com/667/enoch-powell-the-rivers-of-blood-and-the-cul-de-sac-of-fear/comment-page-1/#comment-12415 Yellow Swordfish » Every Terrorist Group Needs A Name Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:24:48 +0000 http://www.yellowswordfish.com/667/enoch-powell-the-rivers-of-blood-and-the-cul-de-sac-of-fear/#comment-12415 [...] I had my little rant recently on the spectre of Enoch Powell coming back to haunt politicians and talked about the fear that public figures have of voicing [...] [...] I had my little rant recently on the spectre of Enoch Powell coming back to haunt politicians and talked about the fear that public figures have of voicing [...]

]]> By: Hot Issue of the Week: Was Enoch Right? by the Thunderdragon | The Wardman Wire http://www.yellowswordfish.com/667/enoch-powell-the-rivers-of-blood-and-the-cul-de-sac-of-fear/comment-page-1/#comment-12387 Hot Issue of the Week: Was Enoch Right? by the Thunderdragon | The Wardman Wire Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:32:32 +0000 http://www.yellowswordfish.com/667/enoch-powell-the-rivers-of-blood-and-the-cul-de-sac-of-fear/#comment-12387 [...] his predictions were too low. And others lament the political correctness which has led to the “cul de sac of fear”: There was, let’s face it, no possible way that the modern Tory party or our lame, pathetic [...] [...] his predictions were too low. And others lament the political correctness which has led to the “cul de sac of fear”: There was, let’s face it, no possible way that the modern Tory party or our lame, pathetic [...]

]]> By: Tegvis.Com » Enoch Powell, The Rivers Of Blood And The Cul De Sac Of Fear http://www.yellowswordfish.com/667/enoch-powell-the-rivers-of-blood-and-the-cul-de-sac-of-fear/comment-page-1/#comment-12383 Tegvis.Com » Enoch Powell, The Rivers Of Blood And The Cul De Sac Of Fear Tue, 06 Nov 2007 06:26:38 +0000 http://www.yellowswordfish.com/667/enoch-powell-the-rivers-of-blood-and-the-cul-de-sac-of-fear/#comment-12383 [...] wrote an interesting post today on Enoch Powell, The Rivers Of Blood And The Cul De Sac Of FearHere’s a quick [...] [...] wrote an interesting post today on Enoch Powell, The Rivers Of Blood And The Cul De Sac Of FearHere’s a quick [...]

]]> By: Andy @ Yellow Swordfish http://www.yellowswordfish.com/667/enoch-powell-the-rivers-of-blood-and-the-cul-de-sac-of-fear/comment-page-1/#comment-12382 Andy @ Yellow Swordfish Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:58:48 +0000 http://www.yellowswordfish.com/667/enoch-powell-the-rivers-of-blood-and-the-cul-de-sac-of-fear/#comment-12382 After leaving school I worked briefly at a publisher and I still recall the day I mentioned that I thought, on the whole Enoch was a good man who had been much maligned and misinterpreted. I still remember the look of absolute horror on  the faces of a couple of my colleagues. If I had known then what I know now I would have put up a fight! After leaving school I worked briefly at a publisher and I still recall the day I mentioned that I thought, on the whole Enoch was a good man who had been much maligned and misinterpreted. I still remember the look of absolute horror on  the faces of a couple of my colleagues. If I had known then what I know now I would have put up a fight!

]]> By: Eric http://www.yellowswordfish.com/667/enoch-powell-the-rivers-of-blood-and-the-cul-de-sac-of-fear/comment-page-1/#comment-12381 Eric Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:38:12 +0000 http://www.yellowswordfish.com/667/enoch-powell-the-rivers-of-blood-and-the-cul-de-sac-of-fear/#comment-12381 That's interesting. By all acounts he seems to have been a man of some conviction. Several articles I read recently debunked a lot of the mythology about the speech, including the revelation earlier this year that the 'little old lady' he mentioned in his speech actually did exist. I've re-read it a few times, and other than his desire to see people re-emigrate, and the pre-politically correct use of 'racialist' language such as 'picaninnie' - not a particularly nice term, his main thrust was against multiculturalism, and not race per se. Towards the end he says "To be integrated into a population means to become for all practical purposes indistinguishable from its other members. Now, at all times, where there are marked physical differences, especially of colour, integration is difficult though, over a period, not impossible. There are among the Commonwealth immigrants who have come to live here in the last fifteen years or so, many thousands whose wish and purpose is to be integrated and whose every thought and endeavour is bent in that direction." This doesn't sound like a racist, but someone who was protective of the British way of life. That’s interesting. By all acounts he seems to have been a man of some conviction. Several articles I read recently debunked a lot of the mythology about the speech, including the revelation earlier this year that the ‘little old lady’ he mentioned in his speech actually did exist. I’ve re-read it a few times, and other than his desire to see people re-emigrate, and the pre-politically correct use of ‘racialist’ language such as ‘picaninnie’ – not a particularly nice term, his main thrust was against multiculturalism, and not race per se.

Towards the end he says "To be integrated into a population means to become for all practical purposes indistinguishable from its other members. Now, at all times, where there are marked physical differences, especially of colour, integration is difficult though, over a period, not impossible. There are among the Commonwealth immigrants who have come to live here in the last fifteen years or so, many thousands whose wish and purpose is to be integrated and whose every thought and endeavour is bent in that direction."

This doesn’t sound like a racist, but someone who was protective of the British way of life.

]]> By: Andy @ Yellow Swordfish http://www.yellowswordfish.com/667/enoch-powell-the-rivers-of-blood-and-the-cul-de-sac-of-fear/comment-page-1/#comment-12379 Andy @ Yellow Swordfish Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:11:07 +0000 http://www.yellowswordfish.com/667/enoch-powell-the-rivers-of-blood-and-the-cul-de-sac-of-fear/#comment-12379 Thank you Eric. Let's be honest: In the pubs and clubs, the homes and parks, away from the prying eyes of those who accuse at the drop of a hat, Hastilow has support for what he said. People are not too daft to realise the obvious... even the daft ones! To reach a point where stating the obvious is considered a crime is scandalous. It also opens the door (once again and we have discussed this before) to the likes of the BNP and slowly but surely shifts public opinion to support those who do voice their concerns and worries. Now - really off-topic but I learned an interesting fact about Enoch today. Did you know that he was the only soldier to start WWII as a Private and finish the war as a Brigadier? That's quite a feat! Thank you Eric. Let’s be honest: In the pubs and clubs, the homes and parks, away from the prying eyes of those who accuse at the drop of a hat, Hastilow has support for what he said. People are not too daft to realise the obvious… even the daft ones!

To reach a point where stating the obvious is considered a crime is scandalous. It also opens the door (once again and we have discussed this before) to the likes of the BNP and slowly but surely shifts public opinion to support those who do voice their concerns and worries.

Now – really off-topic but I learned an interesting fact about Enoch today. Did you know that he was the only soldier to start WWII as a Private and finish the war as a Brigadier? That’s quite a feat!

]]> By: Eric http://www.yellowswordfish.com/667/enoch-powell-the-rivers-of-blood-and-the-cul-de-sac-of-fear/comment-page-1/#comment-12378 Eric Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:56:57 +0000 http://www.yellowswordfish.com/667/enoch-powell-the-rivers-of-blood-and-the-cul-de-sac-of-fear/#comment-12378 Well said Andy, I think you hit the nail on the head. In a truly liberal society there should be no reason to suppress opinion - especially in light of the public attitude change we've seen over the last few years against mass immigration. It hasn't just emboldened the 'hard right', addressing immigration's negative consequences has become the defining imperative in the public consciousness. It tops the agenda not just on the right but also the traditional left. Hastilow simply reiterated the concerns of his local constituents. Councillors and prospective MPs are there to do just that. I'm sure such views are shared almost equally by working class Labour voters. Well said Andy, I think you hit the nail on the head. In a truly liberal society there should be no reason to suppress opinion – especially in light of the public attitude change we’ve seen over the last few years against mass immigration. It hasn’t just emboldened the ‘hard right’, addressing immigration’s negative consequences has become the defining imperative in the public consciousness. It tops the agenda not just on the right but also the traditional left. Hastilow simply reiterated the concerns of his local constituents. Councillors and prospective MPs are there to do just that. I’m sure such views are shared almost equally by working class Labour voters.

]]> By: Andy @ Yellow Swordfish http://www.yellowswordfish.com/667/enoch-powell-the-rivers-of-blood-and-the-cul-de-sac-of-fear/comment-page-1/#comment-12377 Andy @ Yellow Swordfish Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:41:40 +0000 http://www.yellowswordfish.com/667/enoch-powell-the-rivers-of-blood-and-the-cul-de-sac-of-fear/#comment-12377 A bit off topic in some respects although your comment leads well into it: In just about every walk of life, even in most fairly unskilled jobs, a person needs a certain amount of training. The higher up and more important the career, the more training you get and you need to pass exams. One exception to this, of course, is politics. Maybe it's time to have a lower age limit, an IQ level and a lie detector test once a month. A bit off topic in some respects although your comment leads well into it:

In just about every walk of life, even in most fairly unskilled jobs, a person needs a certain amount of training. The higher up and more important the career, the more training you get and you need to pass exams. One exception to this, of course, is politics.

Maybe it’s time to have a lower age limit, an IQ level and a lie detector test once a month.

]]> By: Malc http://www.yellowswordfish.com/667/enoch-powell-the-rivers-of-blood-and-the-cul-de-sac-of-fear/comment-page-1/#comment-12376 Malc Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:21:10 +0000 http://www.yellowswordfish.com/667/enoch-powell-the-rivers-of-blood-and-the-cul-de-sac-of-fear/#comment-12376 When a carpark is full and the barrier comes down to prevent any more cars entering, nobody shouts 'Racist', but when a country is full, such as when they cannot build 'enough' housing,or roads, or schools, or prisons and need draconian measures such as ID cards and cameras on every road and in every shop to 'control' the inmates, sorry subjects ( as I dont think we are legally citizens), and somebody says "we need to control immigration" the racist card is played. I do not agree with judging people on the colour of their skin, their sex, their sexual orientation or their age, but I do need to know what the 'ism' is for hating politicians, as to be a politician is not only the lowest of jobs, but also one requiring an absence of the very skills that used to be deemed useful - intelligence, honour and trustworthyness. Androgynous - that is far to polite a word. When a carpark is full and the barrier comes down to prevent any more cars entering, nobody shouts ‘Racist’, but when a country is full, such as when they cannot build ‘enough’ housing,or roads, or schools, or prisons and need draconian measures such as ID cards and cameras on every road and in every shop to ‘control’ the inmates, sorry subjects ( as I dont think we are legally citizens), and somebody says "we need to control immigration" the racist card is played.

I do not agree with judging people on the colour of their skin, their sex, their sexual orientation or their age, but I do need to know what the ‘ism’ is for hating politicians, as to be a politician is not only the lowest of jobs, but also one requiring an absence of the very skills that used to be deemed useful – intelligence, honour and trustworthyness.

Androgynous – that is far to polite a word.

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